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Laurel Scott
10-01-2007, 07:52 PM
I posted this on the AILA forum after reviewing a couple of thick attorney-prepared waiver packets that got referred through the Pilot Program. My comments are written for lawyers, but you can read them, too...

I'm seeing more clients come to me who have had their I-601s referred through the Pilot Program in CDJ to the regular process who had attorneys and thick waiver packets. What I'm seeing in these referred cases with thick waiver packets is that the packets are full of the wrong documents and inadequate documents, even though the facts of the case are strong. So, here are some tips.

Documents you generally don't need: vital records and proof of real marriage. This is not an AOS packet; you don't need that stuff. Down in South America they've been requiring vital records and police certificates for the waiver packet, but elsewhere, this is unnecessary. You already proved the petitioner's US citizenship and the legality of the marriage in consular processing. Even if the couple has children together, this is usually already established in consular processing and doesn't need to be re-established in the waiver. Same with the validity of the marriage. You don't need to prove comingling of funds and all that stuff you would do for an AOS. If you prove extreme hardship with other documents, you've necessarily proven real marriage in the process so there's no need to prove it separately.

Psychologist Letter: You don't need to send the client to a psychologist for every case. I have lots of cases where I don't use this argument at all. I only get into depression and separation anxiety if its extreme. Some symptoms of an extreme problem: excessive weight loss or weight gain, new/relapsed drug or alcohol problem, losing your job or nearly losing it due to distraction, people who don't know about the immigration situation constantly asking the person if he/she is "ok", inability to sleep, prior psychiatric "history" pre-dating the USC meeting the alien, and sudden bursts of tears at inappropriate times. There may be times when you don't have any of these symptoms and you choose to do a psych evaluation anyway, but there's no reason to do a psych eval on every case. If you choose to do a psych eval, MAKE SURE the psych's letter includes the following: (a) diagnosis, (b) how the psych reached that diagnosis, (c) symptoms of the condition the patient exhibits, (d) prognosis if waiver is denied, (e) relationship between the immigration problems and the patient's condition, (f) any medications the patient is on, and (g) plan/recommendation for future treatment. A two-paragraph psych letter stating that the patient has Major Depression and needs his wife is unimpressive.

Additional evidence of emotional distress: If you're arguing depression and separation anxiety, the psych letter is just one of several supporting documents you will need. The psych letter by itself with no additional evidence is unimpressive. You should have letters from friends, co-workers, supervisors and clergy attesting to the person's symptoms of depression. They are not going to make a psychiatric conclusion. They are just attesting to the symptoms. For example, the co-workers may say "So-and-so's attention is not what it used to be. Sometimes when he comes to work he looks a bit dishevled. That's not the way he used to be. He seems distracted. His work product has declined. He snaps at everyone." Illustrative examples are important. If you're using depression and separation, ALWAYS investigate whether there has been a declien in work performance as this opens the door to an argument that the emotional distress could lead to unemployment. Back it up with boss's letter, co-workers' letters, and/or quarterly work performance reviews showing a decline.

Medical letters for qualifying relative: I can't say this too many times: It is not enough to show that you have a medical condition; you must prove the relationship between the condition and the waiver. Most of the time, you have not proven your case with just the medical records and the qualifying relative's claim in his/her letter that there is a relationship between the medical condition and the waiver. For example, if you have a qualifying relative that developed stomach problems after the alien was deported and he/she is claiming a relationship between the two, you are going to need more than medical records. You need a doctor's letter attesting to the appearance of the condition AFTER the deportation, the absence of the condition prior to the deportation, and a medical opinion that this condition could be entirely stress-related. If you're arguing that the person cannot get treatment for that condition in the alien's home country, you need to prove that somehow, maybe with a letter from a doctor in alien's home country or some sort of article describing the absence of treatment for that condition. If you're arguing that the qualifying relative can't move to Pakistan because she needs a liver transplant, provide articles saying there have never been any liver transplants in Pakistan unless they brought in foreign doctors.

Medical documents for someone the qualifying relative is taking care of: I can't say this too many time: It is not enough to prove that the qualifying relative has a sick or elderly relative; you have to show what this has to do with the waiver. Medical records and doctor's letters saying how sick the USC's mom or dad (or other person) is will not prove your case. You have to prove that the qualfying relative is taking care of this person and/or the alien was taking care of this person. A letter from a doctor needs to state the following: diagnosis, prognosis, physical limitations, need for care, and who the caregiver is (if known). For example, a doctor's letter might state "Patient has severe back problems which, at her age, will only worsen until she has to have surgery. Even with surgery, a full recovery to normal back function is not expected. Patient has trouble standing for long periods of time and might not be able to perform normal household tasks, such as washing the dishes. Patient has trouble carrying anything, such as groceries. Patient may have trouble getting in and out of the bathtub. This patient will need assistance with ordinary household chores and basic hygiene. It is not recommended that she live alone. I understand that she lives with her adult son, who currently brings her to her appointments. If he were to leave, I would recommend that she move to an assisted living facility, which her insurance does not cover. It is noted that in the past, Patient's daughter-in-law, Alien, used to bring Patient to her appointments." You can back the doctor's letter up with a few choice medical records.

Additional documentation of caring for sick/elderly relative: In addition to the doctor's letter, you need letters from friends, relatives, clergy and fellow parishoners attesting to the fact that from a layman's perspective, that person needs assistance from the qualifying relative and/or alien and that it is, in fact, the qualifying relative or alien that provides this assitance and that its been tough on qualifying relative since Alien has been gone, or it would be tough. People writing letters should provide anectodes of person observations, e.g.: "When so-and-so comes to church, usually her son-in-law, Alien, drives. He helps her out of the car and assists her in climbing the stairs to the santuary. While he's doing this, so-and-so's daughter, Alien's wife, takes their baby to the nursery. I'm not sure how so-and-so's daughter could accomplish both of these tasks by herself on Sunday morning without her husband." Its just a little story, but very illustrative.

[there's more, but this is a long post and I have to split it up]

Laurel Scott
10-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Financial arugments: You're almost never going to use the arugments that if your client moves to another country, he/she can't pay student loans, mortgage and credit card bills. Student loans and credit card bills are too common an argument and are generally considered ordinary hardship. A good financial argument is usually either when you're financially supporting someone else (e.g. orphaned minor sibling) and/or the qualifying relative him/herself is dependent on the alien's income to make house payments. In the former, you need a letter from the person receiving the money attesting to the fact that they need it for basic items, as well as some sort of independent documents showing both the need and the support. For example, if elderly mom can't pay the rent, show copies of mom's social security award statement, her pension award statement and her testimony that there is no other source of income, along with copies of cashed checks over a period of months from the qualifying relative to mom's landlord. That's a financial argument. Also, if the qualifying relative him/herself depends on the Alien's income to pay the mortgage, then you can bring in the mortgage argument because it proves the qualifying relative will lose her house if she stays in the US without her husband. You're not going to say that she can't pay her US mortgage if she moves to Mexico because - duh! - if she moves to Mexico she'll sell her US house and there will be no mortgage to pay. I can't tell you how often I've seen people try to argue that if they move abroad they can't pay their mortgage on the house in the US. Its a nonsensical argument UNLESS there's another person living in the house (a relative) who can't afford to make the payments without the qualifying relative.

Community service and business owner employing people: If the qualifying relative performs community service, letters regarding this are NOT about how much the community needs the service, its about how important it is to the qualifying relative that he/she does the service. Its about how it makes the qualifying relative feel and how dedicated he/she is to the work. The letter must therefore be written by someone who knows the person well rather than the most important person in the organization willing to cooperate on the letter. Likewise, if the qualifying relative owns a business employing lots of people, you are NOT going to talk about how much money this puts into the economy. Letters will talk about how the qualifying relative has known these employees for years and knows their families and cannot bear the thought of putting his/her employees in financial straits by laying them off so he/she can move abroad to rejoin Alien. It all has to come back to the qualfying relative, not the community. Its not about service to the community, its about how the person FEELS about doing service to the community.

Laurel Scott
10-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Nothing should be handwritten unless its a child's letter or one written abroad where the person doesn't have access to a computer. Handwritten letters are too hard to read. If a client gives you a handwritten letter from someone and for some reason you can't get it redone, type it up and hand in both the handwritten version and typed version.

The letter should be written by the person signing and should look like they were written by the person signing. Watch out for all the letters using the exact same formatting. If you get letters that look too much alike, politely ask the client if he wrote all the letters and just had people sign. If so, politely tell him that they look like they were all written by the same person and people need to write their own letters. Any appearance of fraud in any document can jeapordize the entire packet.

Some attorneys like to do the qualifying relative's letter in legal-affidavit style. I prefer them to write their own letter and include a brief. I suppose its a matter of debate which is better. Yea, affidavit-style is more organized, but I think when they write their own, its more credible. The only time I'm going to do an affidavit-style is when the person is completely uneducated and is incapable of writing a letter (which has happened a few times with some refugees). When I have one of those, I note on the bottom that the attorney wrote it based on the person's testimony but that the affiant affirms that everything is true.

Letters from professionals should be on letterhead, typed in sentence case.

Leave in grammar and spelling errors, unless there are too many egregious errors on a professional's letter. As long as a given letter says what it needs to say, don't mess with it too much or it will end up looking like it was written by a lawyer.

Laura
10-01-2007, 08:43 PM
This is really great information for everyone. Thanks for sharing!

mamacita
10-01-2007, 09:00 PM
Thanks for the great advice Laurel.

I have a horrible medical condition and in fact have had hand surgery since my husband has been gone for 1 yr now and CDJ wouldn't medically expedite our case, I had extensive hand surgery, left w/pins in my wrist and bone removal and mucscle transfer, tendon release & still cannot carry hardly anything at all, had a cast on my left hand for 6 wks w/pins in the bone. My surgeon sent in a 3 page impressive letter emphasizing the need for my husband to be here to assist me in carry things, getting in and out of the bathtub, dressing, driving as I was totally incapicated for 6 wks and had hand therapy for 3 months. I am still not at even 60% on my hand function and now my right hand needs the same surgery. My Doctor stressed it would take up to 1 yr to be back to normal but I'd never have hand strength again because a bone was removed in my thumb,,,,guess what no expedite yet and it has been almost 1 yr,,,,Warren wouldn't expedite so the letter's that your referencing didn't work for us.
On Nov 2nd will be 1 yr and counting. I have even postponned a 2nd hand surgery that was set in August for my right hand/dominant hand and with my left hand having had surgery only 6 months ago I am really going to be incapitated this time even more! Oh well, I suppose 60 pages of documentation and the rest didn't deserve an expedite,,,we are still waiting on our I601 approval from Nov 2nd 2006?

Thanks though for the great advice in detail Laurel; your always so helpful!
We do appreciate it tremendously!:wave:

Genie
Mamacita:D

IBMMuseum
10-01-2007, 09:30 PM
...after reviewing a couple of thick attorney-prepared waiver packets...

Hey! What are are you doing, calling people "thick"? Even if they are fellow attorneys! :wink:

Laura
10-01-2007, 09:37 PM
:lol:
good one.

Laurel Scott
10-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Warren wouldn't expedite so the letter's that your referencing didn't work for us.


Well ... this thread is not about how to get an expedite, its about how to prove your case with supporting documents. This thread should help avoid a referral from the Pilot Program, though of course its never 100% guaranteed.

A thread about expedite requests would be a bit different.

senoraserrano
10-01-2007, 11:11 PM
can i send in more evidence 7 months after i sent in the waiver-i just started depression/anxiety medication & am starting counseling to deal with the stress/depression/anxiety of being separated & fear of denial resulting in moving to Mexico. is it too late to send in more evidence?

natorres06
10-01-2007, 11:32 PM
can i send in more evidence 7 months after i sent in the waiver-i just started depression/anxiety medication & am starting counseling to deal with the stress/depression/anxiety of being separated & fear of denial resulting in moving to Mexico. is it too late to send in more evidence?

I don't think it's too late. I sent a second packet nine months after. I dont know if it will do me any good since I don't have any health problems and i'm not supporting any other family members. but you won't loose anything by sending another packet. :thumbup:

Dorothea
10-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Thanks Laurel for always providing us with great info:)

maru1979
10-01-2007, 11:44 PM
Laurel you are a lifesaver..... Thank you soooo much for sharing.... This is very nice of you....

elsatpp
10-02-2007, 12:09 AM
Thank You For All This Valuable Info. Since I Started My Hardship Letter I Wanted To Know If The Letters From Friends And Family Have To Be In English, Typed And If The People Who Give Me Those Letters Need To Be U.s. Citizens...and I Also Wanted To Know If A Psychological Evaluation Would Be Helpful For My Daughter Since She Is Very Attached To Her Dad

Laurel Scott
10-02-2007, 02:25 AM
Thank You For All This Valuable Info. Since I Started My Hardship Letter I Wanted To Know If The Letters From Friends And Family Have To Be In English, Typed And If The People Who Give Me Those Letters Need To Be U.s. Citizens...and I Also Wanted To Know If A Psychological Evaluation Would Be Helpful For My Daughter Since She Is Very Attached To Her Dad

No one writing a letter has to be a USC. Letters not in English must be accompanied by a certified English translation. Warren is fluent in Spanish, but he doesn't adjudicate every case himself and while consular officers in Mexico are required to speak Spanish, CIS officers are not. Translations should not be done by the applicant, qualifying relative or close relative of either, but they do not need to be someone you pay. Translations can be done by a friend. Translations should include a statment to the effect of, "I am fluent in English and Spanish and I certify that the attached is a true and complete translation of the original" and should be signed and dated by the translator.

I've only ever gotten a psychological evaluation of a child ONCE and it was because the child's teacher noted signs of depression in the 5-year old when she withdrew completely from the other children. It's a given that a child will miss his/her parents. If there is something unusual about the child's behavior (e.g. a 12-year old who starts wetting the bed again and the doctor says its not medical) then you can start making psychological arguments for the child.

Generally speaking, I try to minimize the children's involvement in the process.

DeBenny
10-02-2007, 03:01 AM
:bounce: Awesome resources/information. Thank you soooo much, I was looking for something like this. :thumbup:

akiselyk
10-02-2007, 05:41 AM
Thank you so much for taking the time to post! very informative!

angie

MBLA
10-02-2007, 07:41 PM
Ok, this post really has me depressed and confused. To me what Laurel is saying not to use are the main hardship that most of us use. My only 2 hardship are finances and my son.

Financial arugments: You're almost never going to use the arugments that if your client moves to another country, he/she can't pay student loans, mortgage and credit card bills. Student loans and credit card bills are too common an argument and are generally considered ordinary hardship.

Credit cards, student loans and my mortgage. That is just an ordinary hardship. I know everyone has them. Yes, I know if I move to Mexico, I'm going to sell my house. However, if I stay here how am I suppost to come up with an extra 600 dolars to pay bills that I do not make. If husband and I are seperated, I would be come a single mother. I can't take on a second job, becaue who would take care of my son?? Even if I wanted to, I can't go on warefare. I make "too" much money. So am I suppost to quit my job so I can survive. Thats a little ironic.


I've only ever gotten a psychological evaluation of a child ONCE and it was because the child's teacher noted signs of depression in the 5-year old when she withdrew completely from the other children. It's a given that a child will miss his/her parents. If there is something unusual about the child's behavior (e.g. a 12-year old who starts wetting the bed again and the doctor says its not medical) then you can start making psychological arguments for the child.

Generally speaking, I try to minimize the children's involvement in the process.


How are we to minimize the children's involvement in the process, that is a big hardship. If husband is denied, how do you care for your child in the situtation? I'm not saying that all children should be evaluated for hardship letter. But in the same breath, you don't know how a child will react if he is seperated from a parent. I know I'm the one writing this letter, so its not the hardships that my child will face. But it is important what hardships my child will face, because when a child suffers, so does thier parents.

So what do you do when your only two hardship are finances and children? So where do I start? Like we have said many times before, this whole hardship isn't right. If you have no children, medically and finacially stable, you deserve to have your so torn away from you.

Laurel Scott
10-02-2007, 08:14 PM
However, if I stay here how am I suppost to come up with an extra 600 dolars to pay bills that I do not make. If husband and I are seperated, I would be come a single mother. I can't take on a second job, becaue who would take care of my son??

Ah, this is a different argument from the one I was saying not to use. I was saying not to argue that if you move abroad you can't pay your US bills. But always on a waiver you need to prove both hardship if you move abroad and hardship if you stay in the US without your spouse. While the US bills are unimpressive if you move abroad, its more relevant if you remain here without your spouse and can no longer afford to stay at your current apartment AND pay your bills without your spouse. It weakens this type of financial argument if you live in a luxury location, have an expensive car, or have high credit card bills due to consumeritis. But, let's say your take-home pay (after taxes and health insurance) is $24,000 (a decent working class salary), daycare is $500 per month, your mortgage/taxes/insurance on your modest 3/2 house is $750 per month, your student loans are $100 per month, utilities are $150 per month, car payment on your used Nissan is $125, food/diapers are $300, car insurance is $75, and gas to work is $50. Now you've proven that you will lose your house without your husband's income, even if you don't buy any clothes or Christmas presents for the next ten years.

Laurel Scott
10-02-2007, 08:18 PM
How are we to minimize the children's involvement in the process, that is a big hardship. If husband is denied, how do you care for your child in the situtation? I'm not saying that all children should be evaluated for hardship letter. But in the same breath, you don't know how a child will react if he is seperated from a parent. I know I'm the one writing this letter, so its not the hardships that my child will face. But it is important what hardships my child will face, because when a child suffers, so does thier parents.

When I said I try to minimize their involvement, I did not mean that I don't mention the child in the waiver. I meant that I try to minimize the disruption to the child's life by doing things like sending them for a psych evaluation and asking them how they will feel if Daddy never comes home again. I certainly talk about the child in the waiver. But as the child is not a qualifying relative, its all about how the parent will feel about the child's hardships.

blueblue
10-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Just wanted to add one thing, in this section of the forum a lot of waivers are filed based on overstays for which a child is not a qualifying relative for purposes of the waiver. However, if the waiver is based on a CIMT or such, a child IS a qualifying relative.



Psychological Assessment Guidelines for Immigration - 07-03-2007, 03:44 PM
http://immigrate2us.net/forum/showthread.php?p=180259#post180259
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Just adding this resource to the new database. It is a great resources to help your psychologist prepare a report on your psychological hardships related to immigration.

http://www.acfei.com/pdf/onlinece/20...4212b5ecc920e7

MBLA
10-02-2007, 08:40 PM
Thank you Laurel that does help some. You summerized my mothly expenses pretty close. :)

However, still moving to Mexico. Yes, I can sell my house. I will probably lose money off of it, and I know I can use that as an arguement. But still at the same time, I can't get rid of my student loans and my credit cards. My student loan itself is 220 dollars a month. With Mexico's income, that debt alone would be impossible to pay off. I would be able to pay off credit cards, if I didn't have to fork out 2k to 3k on the application process.

Laurel Scott
10-02-2007, 09:03 PM
My student loan itself is 220 dollars a month. With Mexico's income, that debt alone would be impossible to pay off. I would be able to pay off credit cards, if I didn't have to fork out 2k to 3k on the application process.


Now, that part, by itself, it so common that its considered ordinary hardship.

My student loans are close to $700 per month, by the way. Law school is expensive.

gdalicia
10-02-2007, 09:13 PM
Thank you Laurel that does help some. You summerized my mothly expenses pretty close. :)

However, still moving to Mexico. Yes, I can sell my house. I will probably lose money off of it, and I know I can use that as an arguement. But still at the same time, I can't get rid of my student loans and my credit cards. My student loan itself is 220 dollars a month. With Mexico's income, that debt alone would be impossible to pay off. I would be able to pay off credit cards, if I didn't have to fork out 2k to 3k on the application process.

As Laurel states, debt (including student loans) is not considered an "extreme hardship", nor is the inability to pay it off if one were forced to move to Mexico. However, you might want to focus on loss of income potential, especially related to your specific field. I included statistics that showed that women in my field in Mexico are paid significantly lower than men (and obviously much lower than salaries here in the US). I also was forced to request a leave of absence from my Master's program due to the loss of my husband's income and help with childcare so I included that as well.

angela256z
10-02-2007, 09:15 PM
let's say your take-home pay (after taxes and health insurance) is $24,000 (a decent working class salary)your mortgage/taxes/insurance on your modest 3/2 house is $750 per month, car payment on your used Nissan is $125


Wow you can tell we come from different areas. a decent working salary here is $40,000 and house payments (more like condos), start at $1800 per month....and my car? $600 per month.

I should move to Texas. So being that you are saying $24,000 is modest if I show that I make like $55,000 a year I really need to prove that my expenses will require my husbands $30,000 a year correct? CDJ is not going to think that I make enough alone are they? Cause here in Seattle I don't a person needs to make an average of $87,000 a year to buy a home here.

Laura
10-02-2007, 09:20 PM
Housing prices vary, cars, not so much. Clearly if you have a $600 car payment you have a very nice car.

I make about what you make Angela, now, but "luckily" I was making significantly less when my husband left. I wouldn't have been able to argue anything financial making what I do right now.

angela256z
10-02-2007, 09:24 PM
Housing prices vary, cars, not so much. Clearly if you have a $600 car payment you have a very nice car.

I make about what you make Angela, now, but "luckily" I was making significantly less when my husband left. I wouldn't have been able to argue anything financial making what I do right now.

I have a decesnt car, but I also have bad credit and so most of that is interest. I guess I will need to re-think my financial situation section on my hardship. Really $55,000 is hard to live off up here, but you get use to what you have. I pay most of the bills and my hubby pays a little. Our rent is $685 and my hubby only pays $200 of it.

Laura
10-02-2007, 09:32 PM
Hmm... I think it's all how you frame it. If you have bad credit, I would argue, for example...

"I made some mistakes when I was younger (or whatever) and unfortunately have had credit problems. During the past two (???) years I had been trying to get on my feet financially and now, with the prospect of my husband being gone for 10 years, I know that will never happen." And explain why financially that is difficult where you life, and how you need to live where you do because of family or community ties, etc.

I don't know if that helps. I just think about this stuff like a term paper.. that helps me with the arguments.

ce&ll
10-02-2007, 09:48 PM
Thanks Laurel for posting this helpful information. Now I'm just starting to worry about my sister's HSL she wrote for her husband. I helped her, althought finacial hardship isn't her main hardship we did include it. She helps care for our grandfather and she got copies of chart notes that she has accompanied him to visits, lists his medical conditions and medical treatment he is receiving, etc. The actual letter from doctor is a very short a sentence or two stating that she takes him to the appointments regularly (something of that nature). Her other hardships are her education since he is attending college and close to tranferring to a university, her personal health issues, family ties, employment loss, etc. Do you think another letter is needed from the doctor regarding our grandfather?

I would just hate to see them be put into the backlog!