About Mr B's phone number.

[Marie]

A few months ago, the mods went around and deleted Mr B.'s phone number. We went around today and did it again.

It is very important that you guys do NOT call him for case status. That's not what he's here for.

You may be thinking "well, just one phone call isn't going to hurt". It does when there are hundreds thinking the same thing and picking up the phone to call him.

I know you guys are stressed and want answers and have to be separated from your spouses but calling the wrong person will hurt those who legitimately have to contact him.

We've already heard of people who DO have a reason to call him not being able to get through.

Here is the consulate website: http://ciudadjuarez.usconsulate.gov/about_the_consulate.html

[Mr.Task]

Good idea.. !! When I see people asking for his number I always think hmm... it should really only be given by PM to those in messy situations like what happened to Auntlily (it was Mr. B she called right?)

Go mods! :thumbsup:
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LOL!! sorry this was tasksgirl again I forget to log out of my husband's account !

[MTRACKSPORT]

Good idea.. !! When I see people asking for his number I always think hmm... it should really only be given by PM to those in messy situations like what happened to Auntlily (it was Mr. B she called right?)

Go mods! :thumbsup:
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LOL!! sorry this was tasksgirl again I forget to log out of my husband's account !
//I AM SORRY BUT I HAVE TO TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS DECISION//
when my wife had the problem at her first appointment HE was the one i called, and HE was the one that realized that they made a mistake, and HE was the one that called, apologized, and had her come back ASAP so HE could fix the problem. WHICH HE DID. if i was to pm someone and wait, or call the consulate # and get put off like so many people do, then I would be in jail in MEXICO. INSTEAD I GOT THE # FROM THIS SITE this man is a public servant and is paid to deal with the problems of his office. right or wrong i think the number should be available to anyone who needs it. i would caution against using it friviously but it is not the moderators place to decide whether it is frivilous or not. BY DELETING THIS YOU ALL GO AGAINST WHAT THIS SITE STANDS FOR. (helping those in need) large or small. i am not one to get riled up easily but in this case///SHAME ON YOU/// hope i don't make you all mad but someone has to stick up for the little guy. ////THIS IS AMERICA////

[Marie]

I'm sorry you feel this way but he is NOT the person to call for case status. Period, the end. He is to be contacted for emergencies only.

The thing is that people have been using it "frivolously" as you put it and that's a problem and that's why the number is removed.

There is no need for this kind of lashing Mtrack.

[Laura]

I'm sorry you feel this way but he is NOT the person to call for case status. Period, the end. He is to be contacted for emergencies only.

The thing is that people have been using it "frivolously" as you put it and that's a problem and that's why the number is removed.

There is no need for this kind of lashing Mtrack.

:ditto:

Mtrack - you had a legitimate reason to call Mr. B, but many people on this site, especially newer ones, don't understand the different roles of the Consulate, DHS, etc. If the number is on the site publicly, it will be abused. Let's just say, it has been abused, and now people who actually could benefit from Mr. B's help are having more trouble reaching him because random people are calling him for things that have nothing to do with this department. There are a lot of people on the site who have the number. Waiting 30 minutes for a PM is not going to kill anyone.

[MTRACKSPORT]

I'm sorry you feel this way but he is NOT the person to call for case status. Period, the end. He is to be contacted for emergencies only.

The thing is that people have been using it "frivolously" as you put it and that's a problem and that's why the number is removed.

There is no need for this kind of lashing Mtrack.

//No Lashing intended.// i don't like it when people edit,censor or otherwise take it upon themselves to try to regulate for somebody else. i have fought in EVERY war since VIET-NAM to keep the liberties we have and i can't sit by and see this happen without putting in my views, for better or for worse. if people are afraid to speak out,then so much for Democracy //then so be it/// but i realy think HE will speak up if it becomes a problem. this is not the only source for his number but it sure is handy when you have a problem. i totally agree about using it to check case status but i think that this is not the place to oversee it. (just my thoughts) when they move to the new consulate the number will change anyway

[Marie]

I know a lot of people don't like censorship but this board is moderated. We have that right and when you signed up and read the rules you knew that.

We can edit anything we feel necessary and Mr B isn't here to say it's a problem but knowing of people who should be able to get through and have been unable to because of the screening taking place makes it a problem.

And because it has become a problem with people calling him for every little thing instead of the numbers they are supposed to call, we have decided to remove his number from the site. We can't stop people from sharing it through pms but we can remove it from the public forums.

It IS about helping people. Having the number allows anyone and everyone to call him and considering him an "inside person" who can help them. That's not what he is here for and because of people calling him over and over weekly or more often, it's nearly impossible for those who do need to call him to get through because of heavy screening.

And because of that, removing the phone number IS helping those who do have a legit reason for contacting him.

[ratito921]

I don't think there's a problem with giving out the number to people who were given incorrect information or who were denied the ability to file when they shouldn't have been, but it's another thing when you call his office to talk to him if you've been waiting for 2 months not 12 months. We have a really good time line on this site that anyone should be able to figure out when to expect an approval/denial. I don't think people should take advantage of calling his office for every little thing when he has more important things to do besides tell you that your case hasn't been decided yet.

Mtrack your experience is a very good example of a valid reason to call.

People sometimes don't think about the consequences of their actions and many times ruin good things for others.

[Laurel Scott]

I've learned that Alfredo the taxi driver is giving out Mr. B's number. What'll happen is he'll change it and make it even more secret. Mr. B overseas over 100,000 immigrant visa applications per year. And I thought I was busy!

[simply-heartfelt]

Wow.... not good.

[MTRACKSPORT]

I know a lot of people don't like censorship but this board is moderated. We have that right and when you signed up and read the rules you knew that.

We can edit anything we feel necessary and Mr B isn't here to say it's a problem but knowing of people who should be able to get through and have been unable to because of the screening taking place makes it a problem.

And because it has become a problem with people calling him for every little thing instead of the numbers they are supposed to call, we have decided to remove his number from the site. We can't stop people from sharing it through pms but we can remove it from the public forums.

It IS about helping people. Having the number allows anyone and everyone to call him and considering him an "inside person" who can help them. That's not what he is here for and because of people calling him over and over weekly or more often, it's nearly impossible for those who do need to call him to get through because of heavy screening.

And because of that, removing the phone number IS helping those who do have a legit reason for contacting him.
//that is right// it is moderated. so moderate it but don't turn it in to a dictatorship. do not assume for any strech of imagination that all people are in agreement with this decision. (my e-mail is going nuts) it could have been handled a lot different instead of the way it was. it should have just disappeared without a word
I really like this site because it is not run by the wishes of a few as some others but i will always let people know where i stand. for better or for worse.

[Marie]

People would have asked why it was removed and honestly, I would rather people not post it than have to go around and edit everyone posts. I have other things to do.

It was our decision to make...you and apparently others don't agree but it was our decision to make and it's been made. We are doing what we think is best to help those that need the number and those that need to reach him.

If you don't agree, then fine, don't agree and move on.

Case closed.

[MTRACKSPORT]

People would have asked why it was removed and honestly, I would rather people not post it than have to go around and edit everyone posts. I have other things to do.

It was our decision to make...you and apparently others don't agree but it was our decision to make and it's been made. We are doing what we think is best to help those that need the number and those that need to reach him.

If you don't agree, then fine, don't agree and move on.

Case closed.
Did not know it was a case/ thought it was a dicussion into why the delete??

[Pooh79]

Actually it was meant to be an announcement not a discussion. The decision has been made. There isn't anything to discuss.

[egonzalez1975]

I am sure my comment and maybe even my account will be deleted. But, I have to say that it seems that the whole point of having moderators has turned from actually moderating to controlling what others say. MTRACK has a right to his opinion (yes, I realize that this is a private site and that you have the right to do what you want with it) and he expressed it in a non-threatening way. However, he has 1 mod after another correcting him. Yes, he was debating it but the same way as he was debating it the mods have the right to NOT respond and therefore he can no longer debate with himself. Right?!?

I guess what I have noticed is that as long as you are showing pics, sharing recipes, etc then everything is peachy. But, when someone has an opinion that goes against the belief of our moderators then all of a sudden they don't have the right to an opinion or are shut down. Don't get me wrong I get the point of the moderators and I think it is important to have then to keep the site in line. But, MTRACK's opinion was not done in a nasty or mean way and should have been accepted since he has been a long-standing member of this board and positive. It is not like he is constantly causing issues or looking to "lash" out at anyone.

I just think it's sad then when you join something that is private your opinions are no longer accepted if they don't go in line with the powers that be. That's all. I guess that's the way the world turns!!!!

[monki12]

I know im relatively knew to the moderation world, but I know for a fact that we do not delete accounts or threads that are honest opinions and are not hurtful to the actual poster. if it were like that, egonzales, wouldnt you think this whole thread would have been deleted?

It really bothers me that you guys dont understand the whole story. We are not making his number private, there are members (not me) who have it and will gladly give it to you if you really need it.

Mtrack is a great example of someone who needed it. What would have happened Mtrack if you were there that day and couldnt get through to him for weeks, instead of the while it took you to get through? People have complained that now there is a heaving screening process, that is taking days to get through to him. Before it was not like that. You just spoke with his secretary and she put you through. People who have called to check the status of their waiver are abusing the system. A system needed by many.

Cokezeroo, was a member who needed the number to fight for her hubby, what if that option were no longer available? What if the people who could only get through were lawyers now, because of the heavy screeening? were does that leave us, the people who couldnt afford lawyers to represent us?

I wish you guys understood. In no way are we saying we will not give his number. We are just saying that you can have it via pm so that it isnt posted publically online.

[losguerra]

I have been holding myself back from posting in this thread because I don't want anyone thinking I'm ignorant or one to just "follow the system" but I EARNESTLY agree with the choice to not have Mr. B's info posted all over the forum. I think the moderators were wise to do so. I understand what MTRACK was saying, but I think the point isn't that the moderators are censoring anything. They're deleting personal info that wasn't supposed to be public in the first place. It's for the good of all of us!!

I would NOT want to be in the position of needing Mr. B's help in a situation where the consulate makes a faulty first-interview decision, and then not being able to get through because so many people are calling with questions about their waivers. His number should NOT be floating around online, especially when it seems a lot of people are very unclear on what Mr. B's role is at CDJ.

I know for a fact that the moderators still have his info, and if heaven forbid we wind up in that situation, we will be able to get the number in no time at all.

This is for the good of those who might really need to contact him for something that he alone can handle.

[egonzalez1975]

Well, in no way am I saying that removing his # is incorrect. I actually get the point and agree that it should not be used for checking status, etc. My point that I was trying to explain was that when MTRACK stated his opinion he was accused of lashing when he was only stating an opinion. That is my point.

I also find it disheartening that people have "his back" in pm's but are not willing to come forward and state their agreement with him. I find that sad to say the least.

I again will state that I agree with removing Mr. B's number. I also understand that if needed the number would be given. No argument with you there Monke12. I do not agree that when someone does disagree that they are spoken to in a demeaning type of way.

That was my point. Anyway, that's all I have to say.
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I have been holding myself back from posting in this thread because I don't want anyone thinking I'm ignorant or one to just "follow the system" but I EARNESTLY agree with the choice to not have Mr. B's info posted all over the forum. I think the moderators were wise to do so. I understand what MTRACK was saying, but I think the point isn't that the moderators are censoring anything. They're deleting personal info that wasn't supposed to be public in the first place. It's for the good of all of us!!

I would NOT want to be in the position of needing Mr. B's help in a situation where the consulate makes a faulty first-interview decision, and then not being able to get through because so many people are calling with questions about their waivers. His number should NOT be floating around online, especially when it seems a lot of people are very unclear on what Mr. B's role is at CDJ.

I know for a fact that the moderators still have his info, and if heaven forbid we wind up in that situation, we will be able to get the number in no time at all.

This is for the good of those who might really need to contact him for something that he alone can handle.

I couldn't agree with you more and trust me my argument was not that Mr. B's number should have been left on the website. It was the response that MTRACK received when he disagreed. That was all.
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I have been holding myself back from posting in this thread because I don't want anyone thinking I'm ignorant or one to just "follow the system" but I EARNESTLY agree with the choice to not have Mr. B's info posted all over the forum. I think the moderators were wise to do so. I understand what MTRACK was saying, but I think the point isn't that the moderators are censoring anything. They're deleting personal info that wasn't supposed to be public in the first place. It's for the good of all of us!!

I would NOT want to be in the position of needing Mr. B's help in a situation where the consulate makes a faulty first-interview decision, and then not being able to get through because so many people are calling with questions about their waivers. His number should NOT be floating around online, especially when it seems a lot of people are very unclear on what Mr. B's role is at CDJ.

I know for a fact that the moderators still have his info, and if heaven forbid we wind up in that situation, we will be able to get the number in no time at all.

This is for the good of those who might really need to contact him for something that he alone can handle.

I couldn't agree with you more and trust me my argument was not that Mr. B's number should have been left on the website. It was the response that MTRACK received when he disagreed. That was all.

[Marie]

Personally, I do feel that his reply typing in caps and saying "shame on you" and "this is america" was lashing out at our decision.

We are not trying to control what people say if they have a different opinion. Like Monki said, if that was the case, we would have simply deleted his post.

It has nothing to do with whether someone agrees with us or not. We have rules in place and we are trying to protect people. Never once have we deleted something because we have a different opinion. We delete threads that are rude or uncalled for.

Personally, I don't like Obama, if we deleted because of a difference in opinion, don't you think I would have gone around and deleted all of those posts and signatures?

[Auntlily]

Hola peeps,

Opinion here from one who ACTUALLY needed Mr. B's number. I agree and disagree with the action taken to delete the number.

Heres' my stand: When I was desperate for anything that could save me, I remembered that I2US was the place to find Mr. B's number and since I was no where near a computer (I was at the bus station 2 hours until I boarded the bus) I decided to call my only hope, my dad. I knew that he would be close by the computer and he was the one who logged into the website and did a search on Mr. Burciaga and found his number. This is what saved me and I will FOREVER remember that. I've always been grateful for the vast amount of info that was given to me. And because of that accessibility my husband is now able to sleep next to me every night and finally enjoy our marriage.

HOWEVER, let me tell you something. About 2 months ago, I gave my testimony at church and told them exactly what had happened. Soon after I had swarms of people asking me for Mr. B's number to see if he could help them. I first asked to see what their cases were like and point simple most of them were pretty easy and all of their questions were in regards to easy stuff like when would they get approved and so on. So the only thing I could do was give them the address to this site and I told them that Mr. B would only respond to questions involving administrative issues that were caused by an actual interview/officer. He was not to be bothered by simple things.

So, I'm on the fence about this.

But, I hope I don't get banned for saying this, but YOU GO MTRACK!!!!!!! I'm not going to PM you and privately back you up, I'll back you up PUBLICLY. I totally agree that he wasn't lashing out, he was just giving his opinion like all of us have.

I love the mods and appreciate all that they do for us and especially for putting up with us, but you might rethink whom the real trouble makers are. I can possibly name a few. But I won't.

Those were my 2 cents.

[Marie]

I love the mods and appreciate all that they do for us and especially for putting up with us, but you might rethink whom the real trouble makers are. I can possibly name a few. But I won't.


Oh we know who they are. Just because I felt what I did doesn't make Mtrack a trouble maker and no one said he was one. I think he didn't act as he should have and he thinks that i shouldn't have.
We're going to agree to disagree and I'm going to lock the thread.