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tonyr7
08-30-2007, 12:32 PM
sorry folks, Im venting tonight
I wanna know about liberty and justice for all..
is all defined as everybody, or does it just refer to USC's?
many of us here have seen deprivation or denial of liberty,when our loved ones have been handcuffed and shackled,and bundled off into detention centres and finally deported
where is the liberty in that?
where is the liberty in a USC wife having to work 2 jobs , just to make ends meet,when her husband and father of her children has been deported?

Where is justice for all, when you are denied the right to see a judge, or even appeal a decision?

Where is the justice, when a USC cannot even appeal those same decisions?

Where is the justice when elected officials, decide which constituants to help, and which to ignore,depending on who will provide the most votes?

I'm angry, yes...and I'm confused,but what frightens me most,is who is actually looking after my family, while im forbidden to do it?

Coventrated
08-30-2007, 03:19 PM
Just USC's.

IBMMuseum
08-30-2007, 04:18 PM
sorry folks, Im venting tonight
I wanna know about liberty and justice for all..
is all defined as everybody, or does it just refer to USC's?
many of us here have seen deprivation or denial of liberty,when our loved ones have been handcuffed and shackled,and bundled off into detention centres and finally deported
where is the liberty in that?
where is the liberty in a USC wife having to work 2 jobs , just to make ends meet,when her husband and father of her children has been deported?

Where is justice for all, when you are denied the right to see a judge, or even appeal a decision?

Where is the justice, when a USC cannot even appeal those same decisions?

Where is the justice when elected officials, decide which constituants to help, and which to ignore,depending on who will provide the most votes?

I'm angry, yes...and I'm confused,but what frightens me most,is who is actually looking after my family, while im forbidden to do it?

Constitutional protections cover all within the borders of the United States, not just citizens (but even there are limited in some ways, such as searches without warrants in areas adjacent to the borders). That said, immigration enforcement has regulations in place that tend to minimize Due Process when someone is not a citizen. While the First Amendment does give the right to petition the government for redress of grievances, in this day and age that takes money to fight the system.

Sometimes the best resource is to find an immigration support group in your area...

jpaula
08-30-2007, 07:33 PM
I think it is important to make a distinction between what we think should apply and what, by law or political process, actually does apply. Here is a concise answer to the question asked:

http://www.slate.com/id/1008367/

And, here is an interesting cross-national comparison:

http://www.hrcr.org/chart/remedies+application/scope_of_application.html