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nineten
03-30-2008, 03:55 PM
Sometimes helping others can get ourselves into trouble as it almost did with these two young boys w/o a license.

I wanted to talk here about two young boys that were helping out a guy, a guy they really weren't well acquainted with and they themselves were questioned. The police officer was really a nice one, forturnately. In Florida it seems to be more laxed (except for the info on the thread about Florida's Lake Cnty thread posted in current events) but one never knows what to expect when there's an incident that we don't anticipate happening when out driving w/o a license. I pulled up to a check cashing center and noticed a Hispanic man in the back of a police car and also two young boys standing next to their vehicle a few cars away from the police car. I wasn't being nosy, just caring, and asked the boys if all was okay.

The boys explained that they only gave the guy a ride to come and cash a check or whatever the guy told them. Something went awry in the check cashing store and the store called the police on the guy that had gone in to make his transaction.

The boys were from an area that I'd just come from so we began chatting. During the conversation I asked him if he had a license or any i.d. on him or his buddy. Neither had either. I told them that if the officer questions them that I will say we'll have somebody come and get the vehicle, if we were given that option.

The boys said the officer wouldn't discuss the details with them but they had told the officer that they didn't really know the guy and were just helping him out and they had no idea of what the guy was planning to do if there was illegal intent on his part.

The officer was on his phone for fifteen minutes or more and finally when he walked up he asked me what I had in my hands (which were some of my personal papers) and I told him it was personal business. He said okay. He then told the boys to relax because he could tell they were tense. He said the man that was arrested admitted that the boys had no part in this scenario. The boys were quite scared.

He then asked if we all knew each other and we agreed that we did. Then he asked the boys if they had a license, one stating that he was a student. They both said no. He asked if they had a social security card and they both said no meaning that they had no i.d. on them whatsoever. He looked at the boy and politely said, "You shouldn't be driving without a license."

The officer then pulled out a camera with a bright flash and took a photo of each boy. He said that he wasn't sure that the man would be taken to jail or not becasue there were some discrepancies about the nature of the call and what he had done but didn't elaborate on it.

He then told the boys that they were free to go.

The boys and I chatted for a few minutes and discussed the fact that if one keeps driving to places unnecessarily that sooner or later something is going to happen. They were only trying to help the guy out but what if they were in the wrong area of town, another county in Florida, or elsewhere and this happened. I told them that the next time somebody asks or pressures them to driving somewhere they can have an 'out' by relaying this story and their encounter with the police and firmly but politely say no to the request. I think the officer was preoccupied with the guy in the police car and especially not knowing whether he was going to take him in or not probably helped the boys to not be questioned further or taken in as well.....and he was a nice officer and who knows which type of officer you'll meet up with next time. After I conducted my business in the store and exited, I asked told the officer that I was from the area where the man was from and if he wasn't going to charge him that I would be happy to take him back. The officer was polite and said if that be the case that he would make certain he returned home. (I've no clue as to what happened to the man.)

They agreed that they should limit their driving to only the places they needed to go.

They both thanked me and gave me a hug which was nice. I only hope the boy that was driving will remember that night and realize that it's best to not go anywhere you don't need to go.

I personally think that one main reason people with no license get stopped is because sometimes they drive more than they really need to. I tell everybody to check their tailights, plate light, etc. before they drive just to be sure they're operable and to use signals even when changing lanes, etc. Good driving habits have to be used by somebody w/o a license more so than us that do have one.

One never knows what and when something can occur.

JennyM
03-30-2008, 04:13 PM
And that is why you don't give lifts to strangers! What if the guy would've robbed them of thier car or killed them? It happens all the time!

nineten
03-30-2008, 04:21 PM
That's very true. I never really got it whether they 'sort of knew the guy, knew a little about him' or what. I don't think he was a complete stranger because he was in their area that they took him from. They just might not have 'known him that well.'

But it's true what you say, JennyM, anything could've happened to them. Anything and you're right - little things like this turn out to be horrible sometimes. I really hope the boy learned a lesson but when I asked him if he was still going to drive around because his girlfriend (hypothetical) would want to go places....he got a grin on his face. I think they'll be more careful about who they give a ride to if nothing else. I'll never forget the look on the passenger's face, that young boy was scared to death.

Oh yea, the officer asked where they worked. The one said he was a student and the other one gave the name of the landscaping company. I'm so happy the boys were free to go. And I still hope that there was a discrepancy in whatever reason that store called the police on the other guy. I could see that the officer was really being fair and trying to make sure that there was actually something illegal that had occurred, he said he the man might not be charged. When I was in the store I asked the clerk what happened and asked if he was trying to cash a check...the clerk grinned and said yes. I didn't push to ask more questions. It might've been something that the store 'suspected' but ultimately was without merit. I hope all was okay for the man and if not, then I guess he gets what he deserves if he was falsifying anything.

JennyM
03-30-2008, 04:25 PM
He probably stole a check and went there to cash it....

~MP~
03-30-2008, 04:53 PM
Glad the boys were OK...my husband only drives to the nearest store and that is about it...we are together most of the time and i always drive...his friend drives him to work..I get so stressed when he even goes to the store on his own :(

jeannie
03-30-2008, 05:03 PM
That is good that the boys are fine,but what might happen to them since the police took a picture of them? That is weird that the police would ask for their ssn. Is that normal over there?Here that does not happen,but we have been hearing rumors that this is happening other places.We were not sure though. I don't think anyone thought you were being nosy because you can always tell when someone is in trouble and needs help.That is good of you to try and do whatever you can.Thanks for being a good citizen.

nineten
03-30-2008, 05:18 PM
I really think it was only asked about the social for i.d. purposes. I can almost say 100% that it wasn't for status related inquiry. No, in Florida this isn't normal but in the Current Events thread it said that Lake Cnty is wanting more authority. There were two representatives that were wanting to submit bills this year (I'll have to google for it) to adopt measures like other states...but I heard a skit on the radio the other day about it and caught one sentence that said Florida doesn't seem to be that interested. I think it's worse from Central Florida upward to Northern and Northwestern parts. I think Lake Cnty includes Ocala if I'm not mistaken.

Pensacola area is bad though. The police were driving up to construction sites and those that ran away were being chased by police.

nineten
03-30-2008, 05:33 PM
In an area where I'm in south of Tampa they do a sting occasionally and do it in different areas on different dates.

There were about seven state hwy patrol cars one day stopping everybody that had a slight problem with their vehicle. They were mainly after the speeders.

I had time on my hands and noticed this was going on all in a 1-1/2 mile range on average down the same local road and drove up and down the road trying to make sense of what was going on. I called my husband and told him (although he has a license) and told him to warn others to not enter the area until I tell him that they're gone.

I saw a small car with a young boy and an older woman, his mother it came to be known. I knew there was a problem because they'd been while I'd passed by three times. I told myself that I'm a citizen and I can stop and ask them if they need any help and I decided I should.

I spoke with the boy and the mother and told them to say we know each other (so I could have a right to be there and not be asked to leave). The officer came up and asked and we said yes, we know each other. The occupants of the vehicle didn't speak English and the hwy patrol didn't speak Spanish. Good!

They ticked the boy for 1) No license, 2) crack on windshield, 3) changing the expiration date on the cardboard license plate. (The car belonged to the boy but he hadn't put it in his name yet so still in the other person's name.)

I felt sorry for them. They'd been to Wal-Mart and had gotten their few meager items and I just hoped and prayed they could get home.

The officers were nice and friendly. I asked if they were going to call immigration and they said no. They said they were only going to give him a paper for him to take to the local police office to schedule an appt for a court date!!! They said he'd only receive a fine. (I've never heard of such a thing as this paper instead of a real ticket.)

The translation they needed from me was to verify his name and I did but he later told me that he gave a false name and address although he did tell me to tell the officers the vacinity of where he lived. The officers said he couldn't drive the vehicle but they were free to go on. Good!!

I asked if I could drive it and they said that when they pulled away that I could do what I wanted. I considered driving the vehicle but called AAA for a wrecker instead. Then I watched to see if all the state police were all gone and finally when I saw the last one leave I decided that I was going to chance driving. I cancelled the call to the wrecker and I got in the driver's seat and hauled a-ss! The emergency flasher's were flashing and it was hilarious to hear me tell the boy in the back seat that we have to get those flashers turned off!!!!

The boy said he wasn't going to go and schedule the cout date and that he doesn't like it here and is going to return to Mexico in a couple months.

They asked a neighbor to drive me back to my car and he charged them $5 to take me only one mile. I couldn't believe it. I almost just walked back.

Needless to say, it seems that Florida is more laxed but I do know that around Immokolee area they had problems with immigration.

nineten
03-30-2008, 05:45 PM
This is what I mean. Just one slip-up while driving can get one arrested.

Four Mexican Immigrants Arrested During Traffic Stop

South Charleston State Police stopped a green Toyota pick-up truck on Oakwood Road after it failed to stop at a stop sign.

http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=36612

jeannie
03-30-2008, 05:55 PM
$5 ? What a bunch of losers! They were not good neighbors I guess.
My neighbors would have done it for free. I am so lucky that I'm friends with all my neighbors. Last winter we all had snow ball fights, yes even the adults!It was so fun!Anyway back to the point. Cool the boy got away.

Caribbeanman
03-30-2008, 05:58 PM
After I conducted my business in the store and exited, I asked told the officer that I was from the area where the man was from and if he wasn't going to charge him that I would be happy to take him back. The officer was polite and said if that be the case that he would make certain he returned home. (I've no clue as to what happened to the man.)




Nineten you wanted to take this guy that you don't know in you car? is that correct?

nineten
03-30-2008, 06:09 PM
Good question Caribbeanman. I would've spoken with the officer first, if he'd not charged him, with what the discrepancy was about in the first place. Remember, the officer wasn't certain he would be charged because of uncertainty of the stores allegation. Under the circumstances here and with the officer having information I can assure you the man wanted to get back to his wife because I overhead some conversation between him and the officer earlier. I did have an intuitive feeling about the guy. I also would've made a phone call for back-up of male family members who would've also met me before leaving with him since they weren't far away. No, I wouldn't have just driven off alone with him.